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I was talking to a friend's little girl, and when I asked her what she wanted to do when she grew up, she said she wanted to be President some day. Both of her parents, liberal Democrats, were standing there, so I asked her, 'If you were President what would be the first thing you would do?'
She replied, 'I'd give food and houses to all the homeless people.'
'Wow - what a worthy goal,' I told her. 'You don't have to wait until you're President to do that. You can come over to my house and mow the lawn, pull weeds, and sweep my yard, and I'll pay you $50. Then I'll take you over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward food or a new house.'
She thought that over for a few seconds because she's only 6. And while her mother glared at me, the little girl looked me straight in the eye and asked, 'Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work and you can just pay him the $50?'
And I said, 'Welcome to the Republican Party.'
Her folks still aren't talking to me.
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| Posted by on 10/30/2008 03:25 PM
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That is funny. But being I am a Democrat, u know I have to say the following:
"Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
Matthew 19:24 |
| posted by April on 10/30/2008 03:39 PM
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| Being a Republican, poor, and Christian...I guess I'm good to get to heaven then. |
| posted by on 10/30/2008 03:41 PM
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| I guess so. Hey why wait? LMAO |
| posted by April on 10/30/2008 03:43 PM
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| excuse me? |
| posted by on 10/30/2008 03:45 PM
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| No one can ever be certain they are going to Heaven. IF we could, why would we choose to stay here? |
| posted by April on 10/30/2008 03:46 PM
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| Why stay here? To do the Lord's work and spread his message sound like good reasons to me. It's not all doom and gloom here despite what the newspapers say, I'm rather enjoying my time on this planet ;) |
| posted by Jeff on 10/30/2008 04:29 PM
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| Exactly, Jeff! :) I dont know about you, but sometimes it is better to give than to receive. Nothing like the feeling of knowing you helped someone out. Dont get me wrong, I understand we shall earn our bread w/ the sweat of our foreheads, but lets remember we are blessed and not all people are as lucky as we may be or have the opportunities we may have. I dont know why "Share the Wealth" is perceived as something bad |
| posted by April on 10/30/2008 04:54 PM
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| Beth, I feel I know you...I know you're not possibly saying that only Republicans can go to heaven! |
| posted by Angela on 10/30/2008 05:06 PM
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| Angela, I read that as more of a "not all republicans are rich" response, seeing as how the prior reply seemed to make that assumption. I'm another poor republican. I take pride in the fact that there is welfare I qualify for but do not take since I can make it by myself. I wish more shared my sentiment. |
| posted by Jeff on 10/30/2008 05:10 PM
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Hi Jeff! I agree with you, I never took anything when I was younger either. I would never say all republicans are rich, or that they are not generous. I realize however that everyone was not raised as I was, nor do they posses the talent & tenacity that I do. I know sometimes people are less fortunate, & that in some instances, I am my brothers/sisters keeper. Many faith based organizations are charitable, surely you dont think the people they donate to are unworthy? I rememeer "Whatever you did unto the least you did to me." That being said, I dont believe any one religion has the "hotline" to heaven, nor that any one party or person is perfect.
I think we as parents have more in common than we think! |
| posted by Angela on 10/30/2008 05:35 PM
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"Hi Jeff! I agree with you, I never took anything when I was younger either. I would never say all republicans are rich, or that they are not generous. I realize however that everyone was not raised as I was, nor do they posses the talent & tenacity that I do. I know sometimes people are less fortunate, & that in some instances, I am my brothers/sisters keeper. Many faith based organizations are charitable, surely you dont think the people they donate to are unworthy? I rememeer "Whatever you did unto the least you did to me." That being said, I dont believe any one religion has the "hotline" to heaven, nor that any one party or person is perfect.
I think we as parents have more in common than we think!"
You missed my sentiment. I dont NEED the programs that I actually do qualify for. There are many out there that need help, and I think it's great that this country can help them. I have seen first hand though, there are many many MORE willing bodies that are collecting checks because it's the easy thing to do.
I don't think I am better then anyone, but I firmly believe there is only one way to heaven. It's quite clearly spelled out in the bible. If someone doesn't believe in the bible (no picking and choosing, every single word is in there for a reason), that's fine, it's their choice to make. Just for the record, that one way has absolutely nothing to do with what church/religion you go to (or even if you go at all) or the fish on the back of your car. Relationship vs religion. |
| posted by Jeff on 10/30/2008 05:44 PM
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April, I did take your response right and quite frankly you left me speechless for a second. I wasn't quite sure you were serious and maybe not Christian.
First of all, Angela I do feel like I'm getting to know people on here well and I didn't realize how that came off...I was stating I'm a Republican not that only Republicans or that all Republicans are Heavenbound. Sorry for the confusion.
April--I took a walk with my son to pray for a response. First and foremost this will be my only response to anything religious. You are the one who gave me the verse and though I will talk to anyone about my beliefs I know there are those on here who have different beliefs and this is a political forum not a religious. If you have any question, please feel free to message me.
I do know that I'm going to Heaven--I gave my life to Jesus in high school. John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes in Him shall have everlasting life. Romans 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. I've done that. As to why stay here, Heaven isn't what this life is about. It's an end result. God gave us the Great Commission in Matthew 28:16-20 telling us to go and make disciples of all the nations teaching them what He taught and that He would always be with us. The Ten Commandments also says Don't kill--suicide is killing myself which would be the only way to go right now. I also believe that everyone has a purpose and that if I'm not dead that I haven't fulfilled God's purpose for me Jeremiah 29:11 For I know the plans I have for you declares the Lord plans to prosper you and not to harm you plans to give you a hope and a future.
This is why I'm not ready for Heaven. I believe that God is the one true God and the only way to Heaven I believe that He has a purpose for my life and for all people. I haven't fulfilled that purpose yet. I also believe that the Bible is the word of God and is completely true.
As to some of the posts about Sharing the Wealth...I do not believe that is the way to go. Help those who need help--yes Whatever you do for the least of these, you do for me....But alot of the people being helped out by share the wealth aren't those. They are people who want the system to do the work for them. That's definately not helping them. There are also a lot of verses that say go work and do what you are supposed to. My mother in law runs a hotel for people who are down on their luck and need help transitioning so I have nothing against people that are just struggling because of circumstances. I heard it described this way---you are in high school Some people make A's and some don't. Well the board told the students with A's that they were going to have to share their grades with those that have the lower grades because it's not fair that they have a higher grade and some people don't. That those who didn't study, those who don't care, and those that are having difficulties all deserve the same grade so everyone should be equal....doesn't make sense huh I'm sure the students with the lower grades are appreciative, but doesn't that punish the person with the higher grade?
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| posted by on 10/30/2008 06:29 PM
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| Wow, what started off as just a funny joke really grew in to something else. Honestly ur joke made me laugh & I even forwarded it to friends. Republicans I have heard and/or spoken to seem to criticize Obama by stating he wants to "share the wealth" and coincidentally this is not the first or second joke including a homeless person, a democrat (Obama supporter) and the end result being the democrat not wanting to give the homeless person their money. This insinuating (Or at least I take it that way) that this is pretty much what Obama wants to do & if we (Democrats) stop to think about it for a minute, would realize its like giving our money to the homeless. And, it makes the homeless seem as if they are just lazy. Unfortunately some of the homeless are so far gone they are no longer able t/pick themselves up & grasp reality. |
| posted by April on 10/30/2008 06:45 PM
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FOR EXAMPLE:
Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed.
Once in the restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference--just imagine the coincidence. When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight. I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I 've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful. At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter
was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient needed money more. I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept
than in practical application. |
| posted by April on 10/30/2008 06:49 PM
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Moms, I hate to break it to you, but you wont be sharing your "wealth" with anyone. Nor will the waiter. It wont go just to homeless people that dont work either. Relax, wait & see, it will all work out. Why people think a 30% tax rate on the top earners (like Warren Buffet) is okay, but 35% is socialism is funny to me.
Beth, I was attempting to be funny too, I knew what you meant honey! |
| posted by Angela on 10/30/2008 09:41 PM
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When we pay taxes "we share our wealth", when we built prisons , when we have people unemployed and on medicare or not paying taxes because they don't make any money we really do share our wealth.
The concept that Obama would share the wealth on the model of communist countries is a populist and untrue argument.
I am shocked how all the good religious people when it comes to their pocket forget the fundamentals of the religion itself...religions is not about going about praying and recite verses of whatever holy book it is about be nice to others, generous, compassionate and building a better future for everybody.
Beth, on a last note you should have complete your political - education class to the 6 years old by saying that out of the 50$ she should put 5$ on a common basket for people less fortunate...one day she could be one of this person and be happy than the basket is there!
J.
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| posted by Juliet on 10/31/2008 09:18 AM
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| When did it become the governments responsibility to take care of the less fortunate? In most areas, volunteer work seems to do a quite nice job of it. It's a little pie-in-the-sky, but if we all took care of our own, then we wouldn't need to have anyone leaning on a crutch from uncle sam. I don't need a huge federal government taking any more of my money to "help" people. I'd rather take that money and help them myself, in my area, because I think we know what our neighbors need much more then someone in washington does. Obama preaches this too, but he surely doesn't show it with his actions. That is why I won't vote for him. |
| posted by Jeff on 10/31/2008 09:36 AM
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Is that really why you wont vote for him Jeff?
I think if that is the only reason, you should look at their proposals, see what they both have in writing (yes I know that isnt always what they do) and see what in the end will benefit you & yours, as well as the churches, small businesses etc. We may get your vote after all!
Remember, we have had 6 years of the current tax rates, how are things going economically in your neighborhood? What Obama proposes is a slight increase in those over 250k, (adjusted) & tax credits for those small businesses who create jobs. Whomever wins will be adjusting these policies anyway to cover whatever surprises await us thanks to Pres Bush.... |
| posted by Angela on 10/31/2008 10:22 AM
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Trust me Angela, I've been following Obama much longer then he's been running for office. I had a good friend who was a staunch obama supporter starting back in 04 (he was from chicago), so I did quite a bit of reading on him. We mostly picked on Tom because obama sounded like "The Rock" from the professional wrestling scene, but I digress.
I'm of the belief that big corporations aren't "the man" and don't need to be punished. The more you punish them, the more you punish lower middle class people like me. They have to make their money, and should be rewarded for the good their company does. They don't (for the most part) force anyone to use their products. By raising their taxes (and 5% is a huge amount when it comes to the bottom line), you are charging EVERYONE more. All the sudden jobs are getting sent over seas to make the numbers add up and the automakers are asking for a bailout.
I work for a small-medium sized business, and if obama wins, we will be in a world of hurt if we don't get creative and try to hit loopholes like mad. The company brings in a good bit of money, but also spends quite a bit on incoming materials as well as R&D to stay ahead. It's actually quite tight on the bottom line, but a large amount of money flows in and out. To people like obama, our company should be taxed heavier. In reality, if that happens, big changes will have to be made and workers laid off or the doors will close. The company has been profitable since the 40's, so that would be quite a shame. This isn't speculation, this is running the numbers based on what obama has said he will do. |
| posted by Jeff on 10/31/2008 10:34 AM
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| Jeff, have you spoke to any business owners whos businesses generate over 250K a year? Most will agree NO ONE likes paying taxes, but say that money will be distributed in to the community who will in turn feel better about their economical status and continue to go out and spend money. Again, "we shall earn our bread w/ the sweat of our forehead" but lets remember some people are born in to poverty and have very limited options. |
| posted by April on 10/31/2008 12:14 PM
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see I told ya'll that politics makes us not nice people. Anyway--I never said anything about socialism. My personally belief about taxes is that either everyone needs to be taxed at the same rate on all their money or that we should have no income tax and be taxed on items we buy with higher taxes on luxury items--Jeff didn't you say that was Huckabee's plan...
Juliet--I pay my tithe to the church and I give extra to organizations when my family can. God calls us to help our neighbors...and that doesn't always mean financially and I don't think that means everyone especially when they can help themselves. So many people actually are too lazy to get off their rear ends to help people...go help at a soup kitchen, volunteer in your community, give to can goods...etc...Money isn't everything and when my family makes just enough to take care of our expenses then I don't have much to give.
Too many people don't try to make their lives better---they live in a woe is me attitude and forgive me but I don't want to help those people out.
Yes people are born in poverty--my parents when they got married had to scrimp and save for a lemon pie. They were that poor. Now my dad makes 45000 a year because he worked his butt off to go to school and to get a good job. He didn't say oh i was born poor and I can't do any better. Anyone who says they have to stay in poverty is lying. There are so many grants, scholarships etc to go to school esp for minorities. there are grants and transitional house and people who want to help if those people really want to get out of their situations.
When I got married, we were buried in debt from school, loans, cc etc...we now owe very little and will have that pay off soon....and thats on one income. My hubby struggled to pay for college and actually never got his degree--he'll be getting it soon though.
I agree with Jeff that small businesses are going to get killed with this tax increase....and more businesses are going to ship things overseas....US corporations are some of the highest taxed in the world. And if small and larger businesses are taxed more who gets taxed....us through what we buy. If you really want to Share Your Wealth--go do it your way and I'll do it mine...but I don't need the government to tell me to give my money away. Government has gotten too big and under Obama its just going to get bigger and I don't believe his policies of government health care and sharing and really going to help this country. |
| posted by on 10/31/2008 02:19 PM
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Amen.
Go ask a canadian how their healthcare system is. |
| posted by Jeff on 10/31/2008 02:41 PM
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| Beth, you state there are scholarships and grants and housing for those "in need" Where do you think this money comes from? My dad has a 3rd grade education and came to this county with $100 he got for selling his horse. Believe me that we've never collected welfare, food stamps, ets. We were told my dad did not risk his life and leave it all to come to this country so we can sit on our asses and collect a ck each month for doing nothing. He did his part by giving more opportunities than he could have ever even imagined having, so it is our job to take it. I know the Welfare system is abused as I have personally seen females have 2 or 3 kids, leave their kids at home w/ mom while they are out and about partying (drinking and worse) while collecting a check each month. Do I think this is okay? NO, but just because they abuse the system doesnt mean I dont think there should be a system in place for those who really are just down on their luck temporarily. |
| posted by April on 10/31/2008 03:25 PM
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| As far as Health Care, It cost me $275/month for my daughters healthcare through my employer. Do I qualify for Medical or Healthy Families? NO. Does it piss me off that others who dont work (by choice) get free healthcare for their kids? YES, but at the end Im grateful to God that I at least have the $275/month to pay for my daughters health care. |
| posted by April on 10/31/2008 03:29 PM
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| those come from government money most of it state. I never said I had a problem with paying taxes to help out with education and people really down on their luck. I don't want to help out people on welfare who are not trying. I didn't have insurance when I was pregnant...I went on a government sponsored programs so that I could have health care while I was pregnant. I was on it for 7 months and now am off...I have no problem for that--I actually was asked to be a spokesperson. But now my husband has great health insurance and we don't need to rely on the government....that is how things need to be. |
| posted by on 10/31/2008 03:41 PM
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I agree, Beth. I think there should be time restrictions on many of our programs. I guess bcuz I wouldnt abuse the system, I wouldnt expect others to and that is why I agree we should have programs in place. Unfortunately one bad apple ruins it for everyone some times and people start thinking all people in need of aid are just lazy.
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| posted by April on 10/31/2008 04:01 PM
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I definately agree with you on that. Programs aren't bad...they just need to be regulated not free for all :)
As Angela said ....when it comes down to it we all are more alike than we realize :) |
| posted by on 10/31/2008 04:05 PM
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| Jeff: I have friends in Canada and they love the health care system up there. |
| posted by Alisa on 11/06/2008 01:50 AM
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| I guess when health care is mainly free then how bad it is doesn't matter. Waiting for extended periods of time in the ER, not being able to get biopsies for over a month, waiting over a year for surgery, not being allowed to have surgery after a certain age, not enough doctors....lets see what Obama does to ours in the next 4 years. |
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