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Please watch this!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIlS0_rArks |
| posted by ellen on 09/08/2008 10:41 AM
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| He is sick. That first video made me cry. How can anyone be so sick? |
| posted by FirstTimeMommy on 09/09/2008 06:35 PM
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| It's amazing the people are still defending him! |
| posted by Pamela on 09/09/2008 07:28 PM
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| This man scares me. If he becomes president he will definately bring change....but not for the good. |
| posted by Laura on 09/09/2008 11:07 PM
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I think if Obama was so bad the Republican propaganda machine would have destroy him long time ago.
I can understand why someone doesn't want to vote for Obama because of his program or of his vision but demonizing someone it is really unnecessary.
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| posted by Vero on 09/10/2008 01:44 PM
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I have not seen the Republican propaganda machine try to destroy Obama or try to demonize him.
I have however, seen the Democratic propaganda machine try to destroy and demonize Palin.
I feel the Democrats must feel threatened by her. |
| posted by ellen on 09/10/2008 02:10 PM
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LOL - don't believe everything you see on YouTube...those videos would have you believe that Obama wants sex offenders running lose around town, prancing from strip club to strip club. Silliness. To make informed decisions on political issues, one must learn what the alternatives are to the votes...for example...why would Obama vote the way that he did on abortion?...there is a flip side...things aren't always black and white. Anyone can post slander...Be REALLY informed.
I, as an American, am quite sick of the way elections are run. So is Barack Obama. I really hope he wins. |
| posted by on 09/10/2008 03:17 PM
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| That is his voting record, it is black and white, and you cant make up lies about the fact that is how he voted! |
| posted by ellen on 09/10/2008 03:32 PM
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| TO ALL OBAMA SUPPORTERS: Can you please explain to me what the flip side of killing innocent babies is? As far as I'm concerned there is no reason why anyone in their right mind would vote in favor of this regardless of what other issues may be tied to it! It seems pretty black & white to me - either we save our innocent or we allowed them to be killed! |
| posted by Pamela on 09/10/2008 03:49 PM
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| What I'm saying is that a politician has an issue to vote "yes" or "no" on...there are certain reasons one would vote either way. You don't see all these reasons in those ads...you just see that Obama voted "NO" on a law that would allow "adult" clubs near a school. Sounds bad, right? Well, what if, by voting "no" on this law, Obama felt that not allowing this legal business to set up shop, it would be violating the legal business owner's constitutional right to do so. Obama didn't create strip clubs, and because it is legal, who is he to say where they can be? You follow? Where would it stop? No, I don't want a strip club near my playground, but until they are illegal, it's the business owners constitutional right to own his/her business...this is America. Obama surely doesn't want babies born alive only to die, but what if there was a loophole in the law, that if passed, would violate women's right to choose? It's not simple. There's more to it than "yes" or "no". |
| posted by on 09/10/2008 04:05 PM
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The majority of his voting record he voted "present" which means he could not decide. The President has to make tough decisions.
Obama is a good looking man, he can read a teleprompter very well.
You can put lipstick on a community organizer, but that doesnt make him Presidential. |
| posted by ellen on 09/10/2008 04:26 PM
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McCain is a "fossilized dinasour". The back slapping flesh pressing old boy's poster maverick (NOT), and his neo nazi hockey puck VP nominee, has left lipstick on McCain's fly, as she sucks up to the goose stepping Fourth Reich!
These attack dogs hanging Obama from the nearest tree, and burning him in effigy is a symbol of their hate mongering, war mongering McBush regime (four years of the same).
The time is NOW to get your head out of the backside of the GOP cash cow (Special Interest and Big Business) and realize what REAL CHANGE Means.
VOTE OBAMA NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| posted by esther on 09/10/2008 04:35 PM
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LOL, too funny.
Wanna know what's not funny? The FACT that John McCain voted WITH George W. Bush over 90% of the time during the last 8 years...
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| posted by on 09/10/2008 04:35 PM
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I didn't see Esther's post before writing my last reply...my reponse was a reply to Ellen's last post.
Hi Esther, welcome to the discussion. I was feeling lonely over here. :)
Oh, and the teleprompter comment was pretty silly, now wasn't it? Did you know that most politicians (including McCain) use speech writers????? I'll give you one guess who wrote Barack's (praised) speech at the DNC...that's right, Obama himself. |
| posted by on 09/10/2008 04:39 PM
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I'm not going to reply to the nasty remarks about McCain who happens to be a real American Hero, who spent 5 years as a Prisoner of War so that you can have the freedom to type such hate.
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| posted by ellen on 09/10/2008 04:48 PM
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In reply to you Ellen- firstly you are a HYPOCRITE! as most Neo Cons, and I assume you are one, you are DEAD SERIOUS, and like most neo cons, have no sense of humor. Political satire, goes WAY ABOVE YOUR HEAD and like your TICKET that you are voting for, your combined IQ is less than room temperature. So what can you expect from "hate mongering, war mongering, narrow minded, dogmatic morons" such as yourself.
BLACK IS BEAUTIFUL!!!! VOTE YOBAMA NOW!!!!! |
| posted by esther on 09/10/2008 05:12 PM
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I have a great website you should join!
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com
I will pray for you Esther.
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| posted by ellen on 09/10/2008 05:19 PM
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It really saddens me that some people feel it is necessary to name call & be so harsh all b/c they have no valid point to agrue!
And FYI some of us that you are ridiculing have IQ's well above the average citizen (mine for instance is 131 - would you like to share yours?)
I will also pray for you! |
| posted by Pamela on 09/10/2008 07:19 PM
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If anyone is interested in the exact wording of the laws which Sen. Obama voted for or against, they can check them out at
http://ilga.gov/
The voting records of all legislators is public record & can be found on the government home page of all 50 states. Enough of the excuses; these are the facts. Sorry if they aren't what you have been brain-washed to believe! |
| posted by Pamela on 09/10/2008 07:29 PM
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| This was the most disturbing thing I've seen! I bawled my eyes out watching it. And I think it SHOULD be put out there for the world to see. I changed my mind awhile ago about voting for Obama, but this DEFINITELY shows a whole different side of him. I dont knwo how anyone can be so inhumane! I'm for McCain-Palin all the way!! |
| posted by Dana on 09/10/2008 07:39 PM
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| This was the most disturbing thing I've seen! I bawled my eyes out watching it. And I think it SHOULD be put out there for the world to see. I changed my mind awhile ago about voting for Obama, but this DEFINITELY shows a whole different side of him. I dont know how anyone can be so inhumane! I'm for McCain-Palin all the way!! |
| posted by Dana on 09/10/2008 07:39 PM
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This website is pretty clear-cut and to the point...
http://www.issues2000.org/default.htm
It basically shows where each candidate stands on each of the issues, and outlines their voting record. |
| posted by FirstTimeMommy on 09/10/2008 09:02 PM
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Let me say that certain people have gone too far on this post. I think it's cool to come on and bebate what we feel and why we feel this way..we're all allowed to vote for whoever we'd like. No-one should name call or be so harsh.
I'm for Obama all the way, and would like to argue why I am, but I won't hate you if you're not. :)
Go America and Go Mamas! :) |
| posted by on 09/10/2008 09:27 PM
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| Thank you Lauren for showing such class! |
| posted by Pamela on 09/10/2008 09:39 PM
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I watched this video, and was horrified by the venemous hate that this woman has against future President Obama.
This RN, Jill, is angry, sounding like a disgruntled employee who probably was fired for insubordination. She quotes from the Bible-what God wants her to do.
In actually, God is not a conscious force, meaning, he doesn't come out and say what he wants or doesn't want. We as human beings, are supposed to be consciously aware of what is right.
But, now we have Jill, right wing crusader,who has become the face of the neo conservative republican party. No different from the fundamentalist muslims, Jill uses abortion as a bludgeon (beating us over the head with her belief system), a form of terror by video taping herself and posturing herself as a spokesperson for the self righteous conservative base (Palin/Mccain).
Barack Obama has proven to be Honorable, a man of Vision, Character, a Great Campaigner, who loves his wife and children, loves his country, and has eclipsed McCain/Palin as the beacon light who will bring Change & Restore the Freedoms that our founding fathers gave us. |
| posted by esther on 09/11/2008 03:18 PM
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Ellen do you even watch the news? Most of accusations against Obama have been put down and proved as false. Even the right winged network FoxNews has proven most of these rumors to be false along with rumors against McCain.
Muslim?! I think not, he may have had a Muslim father, but it doesn't mean he is Muslim. He never spent time with his father and barely even knew him, he was raised in Hawaii with his grandparents, from his mothers side. Who by the way they were Christian.
I learned in a college course how to recognize and ignore all the propaganda that is out there. Now that I am ignoring propaganda I can see the strait facts and issues. As an Independant I have tallied the pros and cons of each nominee and with that said I will have to say I am with Obama/Biden, but from here until election day if something should change then my vote would change.
But the one thing I can't stand is that Hillary voters who are now siding with McCain just because Palin is on the ticket because she is a woman with a family and personality. If they where truly Hillary supporters they wouldn't be voting for Palin because she doesn't stands for everything Hillary was for. Hillary and Palin are on opposite sides of the spectrum and I find it sad that they would betray Hillary like that.
With that said I hope people can just get along and stop bring up hateful propaganda that is confusing the general public and to report the whole truth not just half truths. |
| posted by Alisa on 09/11/2008 04:20 PM
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Wow--I saw some of what was written and wanted to read further. I can't believe that people would say they stuff they would. We are GROWN UPS---state your opinion with respect for others' beliefs and opinions.
Ester you should be ashamed of yourself--just because someone believes something different doesn't give you the right to be so hateful.
I like McCain and Palin and I liked Bush his first four years. Politics change people and it can be pretty drastic and I know this from having some old friends that were changed. All politicians lie to get votes and the same goes for both parties. How come we can't try to do good for everyone instead of split everything. Obama does have some good things too and even if you are for Obama, you should be able to see some good things on the other side.
Those are the problems with America--not necessarily the issues but the fact that we are casting blame on each other and not taking issues at hand and helping out those in need. If you believe in abortion--how bout trying to promote safe sex or abstinance instead of getting in on a huge debate or if you believe in helping out the poor volunteer somewhere. We have a responsibility not to pick the best candidate but to work the change we want. |
| posted by on 09/11/2008 10:48 PM
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Ok,so I've read all the hateful things people have written on here. Don't you realize it's JUST a discussion on peoples views?? Esther,theres no need to be hateful against someone just because theyre sharing their opinion. Thats the problem nowadays....if someone doesnt agree with what they believe they become hateful and mean towards them. That is not how god wants ANYONE to be. Everyone views things their own way. If you dont like it, shrug it off, you wont change the way they think. You're for Obama and others are for McCain. All you can do now is vote, not fight. Because no matter what you say, when the poll is finally over,nothing can be changed and either Mccain is president or
Obama is president. I HIGHLY doubt that Laura wanted to show this video to have people fighting and name calling. This group is just to discuss things. ME,personally, I'm for Mccain. But i will NEVER say youre wrong for what you believe. NO ONE can say that. And, one thing I want to say(without starting a fight) is that, I have not seen Mccain put down Obama as much as I've seen Obama put down McCain. And you are doing EXACTLY what he doing now by puttting down someone with what they believe. And thats all I will argue. I'm not on here to insult anyone. This is how I feel,and no matter what anyone says it wont change. |
| posted by Dana on 09/12/2008 12:09 PM
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Ok,so I've read all the hateful things people have written on here. Don't you realize it's JUST a discussion on peoples views?? Esther,theres no need to be hateful against someone just because theyre sharing their opinion. Thats the problem nowadays....if someone doesnt agree with what they believe they become hateful and mean towards them. That is not how god wants ANYONE to be. Everyone views things their own way. If you dont like it, shrug it off, you wont change the way they think. You're for Obama and others are for McCain. All you can do now is vote, not fight. Because no matter what you say, when the poll is finally over,nothing can be changed and either Mccain is president or
Obama is president. I HIGHLY doubt that Laura wanted to show this video to have people fighting and name calling. This group is just to discuss things. ME,personally, I'm for Mccain. But i will NEVER say youre wrong for what you believe. NO ONE can say that. And, one thing I want to say(without starting a fight) is that, I have not seen Mccain put down Obama as much as I've seen Obama put down McCain. And you are doing EXACTLY what he doing now by putting down someone with what they believe. And thats all I will argue. I'm not on here to insult anyone. This is how I feel,and no matter what anyone says it wont change. |
| posted by Dana on 09/12/2008 12:09 PM
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| Oh, and I dont know why my posts keep repeating. I apologize now. LOL! |
| posted by Dana on 09/12/2008 12:10 PM
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I'm not pointing the finger at anyone in particular here, but can we just read and reread what is going on here? Let's not forget that this is a website for PARENTS (i.e people with children we have a responsibility to to raise the best way we know how).
What values are we teaching or planning on teaching our children by setting an example like this?? Can't we all just get along?
I'm all for voicing opinions, but only in a setting where differences in opinons can be shared without the risk of being crucified. Clearly, this topic has gotten out of hand...
I vote for taking this off the message board. Who's with me? |
| posted by FirstTimeMommy on 09/12/2008 01:06 PM
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| I agree with you. This is going too far. |
| posted by Dana on 09/12/2008 02:26 PM
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| I agree! If you can't take the heat, get out of the Kitchen. Go OBAMA! |
| posted by esther on 09/13/2008 11:11 AM
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| I was against taking this off the message board at first...just because someone apparently can't control themselves. But now as that person seems to just want to set the cinders aflame again and be aggressive towards the other people on the site--I vote this gets taken off. I agree--we're parents and adults. Lets act like it! |
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| I vote we keep this on the message board. A lot of really good points have been made, which I believe are of interest to others to see. |
| posted by Pamela on 09/14/2008 09:21 AM
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| I agree although it did end badly I believe leaving it up shows what we believe in and although everyone has the right to say what ever they want, there is a thing called taking it too far. |
| posted by Alisa on 09/15/2008 03:04 AM
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Dissent is what makes America Great. Without Dissent we would have no Freedom. Thinking inside the box is a very narrow way of looking at the big picture. You can be trapped by dogma, bias, and a very prejudiced myopic prospective.
All I am doing is Questioning, Taking the Risk, Daring You to think outside the box. Left or Right of Center is not what it is about.
We are at a point now, where we have been stripped of our inalienable rights and it is our responsibility to restore what has been lost.
We must debate the issues and find the common ground as citizens, as human beings, to rekindle the flame. |
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| Name calling & acting like an uneducated child is not thinking outside of the box! Nobody has a problem with heated discussions & debates - that is what has drawn us into this group in the first place! But, why can't we have intellectual conversations with one another? Is it that hard to question someone else's opinion w/out spreading hatred? |
| posted by Pamela on 09/15/2008 03:20 PM
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| Pamela, I am glad you were able to talk about yourself so opening and publicly. I am glad you came to terms that you are an uneducated child. |
| posted by esther on 09/16/2008 03:12 PM
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| Esther...what are you? Twelve years old? Grow up! I feel bad for your family.... |
| posted by FirstTimeMommy on 09/16/2008 04:06 PM
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| My prayers dont seem to be helping you Esther. You seem to be very angry and unhappy. You must need fiber in your diet!! |
| posted by ellen on 09/16/2008 06:48 PM
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Ladies,
I know some of you asked for deleting this thread, and some of you think we should not. It is very hard for me to come to terms with deleting threads because the whole point of a 'Moms and Politics' group is to be a place where we can discuss politics without pressure or censure.
But it is not possible to have personal attacks.
I will ask that we all please stick to the issues and no go personal.
Thanks for your understanding.
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| I dont think this thread should be deleted. I enjoy good debate, & have seen it first hand here. I dont like name calling, perpetuating lies or hate mongering on either side, but I will respect anyone's opinion, as that is our right. I have my views, but I teach my son & will teach my daughter to form their own opinions & views, & debates like these can be helpful. I caution all of us however, just because something is on the internet, doesn't make it factual for any side. |
| posted by Angela on 09/16/2008 10:47 PM
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Wow! I haven't had a chance to read in quite awhile. I had no idea what hateful things have come out of this. I THOUGHT this was a place where we could share our views and discuss things with the perspective of moms raising our children.
I am personally against abortion. I believe every life begins at conception...again, my personal belief. The reason I put this on here is because you cannot debate the fact that babies are being killed. They are born and left to die! How as moms can we stand by and allow this to happen? Religion aside...it is still murder. It breaks my heart at how ugly this has gotten. Someone said that we are not setting very good examples as a mom. I agree whole-heartedly. |
| posted by Laura on 09/18/2008 12:39 AM
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As a result of President Bush, the nation if "Polarized". Right against Left. Pro-life vs Pro-Choice.
There is an under current of hatred that is "glossed" over by those claiming to be in control of a moralizing, self righteous viewpoint.
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| Esther- Are you referring to the same hatred you are spreading over everyone who disagrees with you?? |
| posted by FirstTimeMommy on 09/18/2008 04:27 PM
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This video doesn't even have to be pro life vs pro choice. It is about saving babies that are left to die. Anyone who is ok with this and votes to allow this to take place is wrong...right wing, left wing...I'm not talking political sides. You seem to be missing the point entirely Esther.
This is about doing the right thing and standing up for a child's life to live....not abandoned in a room to die!
You are in fact a mom, are you not???? |
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