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this is pretty much the story of my kids life lol, if you have the time...its pretty long. Its reposted from another group, I just want to know if anyone around here has dealt with or is dealing with the same thing.
My son, Malachi was born January 29, 2007, a very healthy 8lbs 12oz, and over a week late. I wasn't able to hold him right away because he needed to drink some special liquid because he had low blood sugar when he was born. About 6 hours later, when I finally got to hold him, I tried to breastfeed, but they had already been giving him formula so he didn't want it as much, and they reassured me that he would try harded when my milk came in. But right away I noticed that everytime I would give him the formula, he would break out into a rash all over his chin and his cheeks would be red. I pointed it out to the nurses and they blew it off like it was nothing. The just told me his body had to adjust to it. So I believed them.
Kye was a very good baby, hardly ever cried unless he was hungry, put himself to sleep in his own bed etc. He was 3 weeks old when I had completely given up on breastfeeding, it just wasn't for me and I'll leave it at that...but I did try. Up until then he had been taking both breast milk and formula (in the state of Georgia, WIC gives you Similac brand) so he was on Similac with Iron. At about 4 weeks, I noticed something just wasn't right and he was still getting a rash at every feeding. So then someone told me I should try Enfamil Gentilease (sp?) and it seemed like it worked wonders. His rash almost completely went away and that night he slept through the night for the first time. After over a month of buying formula on a Private 1st Class pay (lol) it got pretty hard and when I went to WIC again and asked for the Gentilease they told me that they are not contracted with Enfamil and the equivalent for it is the Similac Sensitive. I said "ok so just give him that then" But then they told me that I would need a prescription for that but I could get Soy milk instead since it was a preference, so that's what we did. At about 2 months Kye was switched to soy milk.
He seemed to be doing fine on it. (Oh and I failed to mention at about 3 weeks he developed eczema) Since 3 weeks old he had been on creams, and lotions, and steroids out the wazoo and nothing seemed to help. No doctor ever told me that there may be a link to his sensitivity to milk and the eczema.
Besides the eczema, Kye was a pretty healthy baby boy, never had a sniffle or anything. He was in the 80th perecentile for his size, but he was proportional, just one big boy. (neither my husband or I are very big, he is 5'7'' and 145 and I'm 5'6" and 115---ok so I guess we are both pretty small lol)
In early September (8 mo), EVERYTHING changed. Kye took an hour nap at about 5, and I went to go get him out of his bed and came back to the living room and sat him on my lap...but when I looke down at him (from behind) something didn't look right. I looked, and looked again, over and over to see if he was cocking his head to the right or what not, and I held him very still. There was a LARGE knot on the side of his neck. Trying not to alarm my husband, I calmly told him to look at Kye and see if he saw it too. One glance, and I got my answer. I've never seen an grown man running around like a chicken with his head cut off until then. He literally flipped out, screaming that we needed to get him to the E.R., trying to pack a diaper bag etc. Then he realized that since we were babysitting that not all of us would fit in the car. I told him that I would take Kye by myself and he could stay with the other kids, because I was being the more calm one in the given situation (even though I was freaking out in my head) I was really careful carrying Kye to the car because to me it looked like his neck was broken and the bone was popping out, it was terrifying. But he didn't seem to be in any pain, which was unusual.
When we got to the hospital, (gotta love the Army), the registrar was very taken aback by what she saw and sent us straight to triage, but when we got back there, they didn't seem to be too alarmed (wtf). So we were sent back to the waiting room, and we waited....and waited...and over an hour there they finally called us back, I am sitting there almost in tears because I am so scared for my child. When we got back there the "nurse practitioner" did a complete exam on Kye...and saw a scratch on his foot, and said (her exact words) "Did he fall down?" I'm like "no he plays with the cat rough, and the cat swatted him back and scratched him." I then and there gave her what she wanted to make a diagnosis...after no xrays, NOTHING, she told me he had "Cat Scratch Fever" and that his lymphnode on the right side was swollen due to an infection from the bacteria from the cat's nail. She prescribed him oral antibiotics, measured the lump (which at this time measured 2 1/2 x2 inches, and stuck out 1 1/2 inches from the neck) and kindly sent us on our way, with the age old advice "If symptoms persist or get worse, seek medical attention" I am thinking...(and pardon my language) but "YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME!" but nevertheless, they are the paid professionals and I'm just a young mom/army wife, so I go home.
That night was the first night of Kye's life that he didn't sleep in his own bed, I wasn't going to risk anything. I stayed up all night and watched him sleep, he started running a fever in the middle of the night, and by morning it had spiked to a 102. And this is coming from a kid who NEVER ran fever in his life.Not to mention, the lump had almost doubled in size.
My husband told me to take him in again, but like hell was I going back to that army hospital so I took him to the one offpost. I was immediately satisfied, they rushed him to the back, did test after test, xrays, you name it, it was done. The attending doctor came back to me a few hours later and said that he had no idea what it was, and the xrays just showed "a mass." My heart dropped, you never want to hear those words in your life, my perfect little boy...and all I could think about was that he may have a tumor.
After telling me he didn't know what else to do, he decided to admit him, and leave it to a pediatric specialist. That was the difference in this hospital and the military ones, here if they dont know whats wrong, they work until the figure it out, on post, if they don't know whats wrong, they make up the easiest possible diagnosis and send you on your way.
We were up at the hospital for almost a week, and he had been on IV antibiotics to try to see if the swelling went down, when they told us that he was going to have a minor surgery to remove the mass (which they found to be MRSA-those of you that don't know its a very drug resistant form of staph)
So, in other words, it WAS not his lymphnodes. How he got MRSA, and how it went from looking normal to an almost 3 inch mass on the side of his neck in an hours time during nap, I won't ever know.
Things got better, it went away, and everything went to normal.
October 25th, my husband deployed, and then magically everything seemed to get worse because I was left to deal with it on my own. Not even a week later, Kye was hospitalized again for MRSA. This time, instead of localizing in one abcess like the last time, it had spread throughout his blood which is even more dangerous. But at least this time we knew what it was, and he was only in for 4 days.
A few days before Thanksgiving, Kye got RSV, which lasted for weeks. Usually the symptoms go away, and the kids are taken off of breathing treatments within 1 week or so...to this day, Kye still has to have an inhaler and breathing treatments for albuterol and pulmicort to keep his airways open (his doctor believes that having RSV for so long caused permanent damage to his lungs, and that he is now asthmatic even though we won't know for sure til age 2 when he can be tested)
November 25th...I brought Kye in to the doctors office telling them (for the 100th time) that SOMETHING was not right with my kid. He went from being a very healthy infant, to having this HORRIBLE eczema that would ooze and bleed and scar when it cracked (I even had one doctor argue with me telling me that it wasnt eczema, because eczema doesn't occur in the folds [BS lol], but only on the outside of the skin...and all Kye had was extra folds because he was chunky, so I needed to keep the area dry...which of course caused an adverse affect). I told them that Kye had been having diarrhea for over a week, for no reason, and it wouldn't go away. And that I was positive that he was allergic to some of the foods I was giving him. They reassured me that he was completely normal, and all of his symptoms were too. He was put on antibiotic after antibiotic and more creams and more lotions and allergy meds, you name it, this kid has been on it. I have a medicine cabinet full of medicines some doctors have never even heard of, 5 drawers full of things that just didn't ever work. The most amount of meds hes been on in a given time was 10. 10 different things, all for different symptoms. Sometimes I think all the doctors are good for up at that hospital are for writing scripts.
I decided that since nobody would listen to me, or give me a referral to an allergist that I would just take him off of the things that I thought he was getting sick from, milk cheese etc. That seemed to help a little, but his eczema didn't clear up at all and the diarrhea continued into its 2nd month.
In November, when I had brought him in...he weighed 20lbs, and was in the high end of the chart for his age. The next time they plotted him, in late December, he had flatlined on the chart, in over a month, he had not gained an ounce.
In January, I finally saw a doctor that listened to me (for those of you not familiar with a military treatment facility, you have a primary care provider that you see once in a blue moon, usually they just throw you in with the first available doctor...in the first year of Kye's life, I had yet to meet with his PCM) So when I did meet him, in January, he told me that I was right to be concerned, no child should have chronic unexplained diarrhea for 2 months, and that he did believe that he had some food allergies that needed to be documented, and that his eczema was out of control. I'm thinking "wow, someone is agreeing with me and not telling me I'm just a hypochondriac"
I was referred to an allergist in the next city, and got an appt around the time when Kye was 13 months. At this time, the diarrhea hadn't ceased and I was going through about 70 diapers and a box of wipes per week. But at least we got to see the allergist. They did the bloodtest and a week later I got the results. On a scale of 1-6, Kye reacted to 5 things, he scored a 2 on cheddar, a 3 on milk, a 3 on soy, a 4 on peanuts and 3 on eggs. I couldn't believe what they were telling me...Because NO doctor up until that point would listen to me, I had been pumping my kid full of SOY milk thinking it was better than regular for him, and come to find out, he was allergic to that too.
I was furious. Kye's doctor prescribed me a couple of Epi-pens to keep with me at all times, and I'm sitting there in his office thinking, what would I have done if he would have had a severe allergic reaction to something before when nobody would listen to me.
Kye's doctor and myself came to the conclusion that one of the reasons Kye's eczema was so bad was because of all the allergies he had and that I was still feeding him those foods for 13 months. He also believes that his Staph/MRSA and RSV are linked to his allergies. His reasoning was that if my little boy's body wasn't working so hard to fight off the food I was giving him, it would have been able to fight off the illnesses better. This led him to believe that Kye's weakened immune system as due in part mostly to the ignorance of his food allergies on the other doctors' behalves.
WE thought this was a big part of Kye's stomach issues and why he had chronic diarrhea, but a month later after eliminating those foods from his diet, it persisted. At this point, Kye had dropped to the 5th% on size for his age.
He is now 18 1/2 months and only weighs 1.5lbs more than he did at 10 months, his eczema hasn't gotten any better, its actually gotten much worse-it bleeds and scabs...and he has now had diarrhea everyday for 9 months...and no doctors can give me any answers. |
| Posted by Candice on 08/13/2008 03:51 PM
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Hi Candice,
Although I can not relate, I cannot imagine the pain, hurt, and stress you must be going through. I have a nephew with eczema and it has it's times when it get bad. I believe that it is caused possibly from what he eats. They had a hard time pin pointing what it's cause was. I know that right now they have caught on that eggs has some of its cause. Also, when he was a baby, he had to be given a certain type of formula because of the allergy that he was experiencing.
I wish you and your little one the best and hope that your little one gets better...
Christina |
| posted by on 08/14/2008 08:11 PM
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| Thanks so much! Yes it is VERY stressful, and its really sad to listen to your baby boy crying "OWWWWW" because he is up all hours of the night screaming that it itches so bad, even worse that nothing seems to help, prescription or OTC. Tell me if I'm crazy but I thought about submitting his story into one of those reality television shows like Mystery Diagnosis, just to see if anyone would actually pick up on it, I know its not normal what he's going through (with the diarrhea and all) but nobody seems to ever take it serioiusly. |
| posted by Candice on 08/14/2008 11:16 PM
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Hi Candice,
I would give that a try, submit your son's story to Mystery Diagnosis, maybe then there will be a lot of focus on what is going on and a diagnosis may develop. Poor baby, with the diarrhea lasting that long on a daily basis has to be hard. You will have to keep me posted. I am hoping that he will get better.
Christina |
| posted by on 08/15/2008 12:55 AM
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| I am sorry you and your little one are experiencing this. I wish I could help you in some way. I would just keep seeking opinions until something is done. Um I know chronic diarrhea and gaining weight slowly could be related to malabsorption (poor absorption of nutrients). Chronic diarrhea could be caused many different things. Keep looking. I hope you find answers soon. Good Luck and keep us posted |
| posted by Amanda on 08/26/2008 11:09 PM
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Wow, im sorry. my cousin had a lot of those symptoms, but that was because she was on steroids for something. and i know how horrible it can be for babies. But you definetly should have it checked out by a gastrointestinal pediatrician, or write into mystery diagnosis, if thats what it takes. especially since he has had diahrrea for so long, that can cause dehydration, and it is very bad for him. You need to get someone to listen to you fast before he gets any worse.
but i actually just watched mystery diagnosis earlier, and there was a little boy that was having alot of the same symptoms as your son, except he vomited all the time. But they finally found a gastrointestinal pediatrician, and figured out what was wrong with him. and ended up saving his life... i dont remember what it was called, but it was something about having too many mast cells in his intestines. the mast cells fight off allergies, and he had so many that they were sending out too much of whatever they send out (sorry i was only half paying attention) and thats what was causing all of his problems. I would try looking it up though, i know doctors hate when people look up there own diagnosis, but if no one is listening then what else are you supposed to do? |
| posted by Becky on 08/27/2008 02:22 AM
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| OMG!! I feel so sorry for you.. But, you have me thing about this now.. My son has a knot on his neck for almost a month now.. We have a cat, and we figured it was cat scratch fever! well maybe it isn't.. Though, bad thing is that we can't go to the Dr. until september when my husband's insurance starts on the 23rd!! Though, since you have said this we are going to take him in the day our insurance goes into affect!! he has above the knot 3 little sores that just won't go away! Figured it was the scratch from the cat.. Now you have me terribly worried.. I am going to let my husband know about this.. Thanks for your story. But, I am sorry about your frustration, I would be the same way.. I don't know what else to tell you but, do what the one reply said to write to mystery diagnosis. Maybe they could help, someone has got to know about whatever to do or what it is.. Sorry, and hope things get better.. |
| posted by Suzanne on 08/27/2008 10:04 AM
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Thanks everyone!!
Well, we went to a gastroenterologist and we have to to back because they want to do a colonoscopy...it kinda freaks me out because he's so young but I feel a little better knowing hes a pediatric doctor, so he has experience with things like that. At this point they think it may be his pancreas that isn't absorbing nutrients correctly. So we'll see what happens, and I'll keep you guys posted! |
| posted by Candice on 08/27/2008 11:59 AM
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The 'Mystery Diagnosis' was an affliction called Mastocytosis. It is when the mast cells in the body become overactive.
I feel really sorry for you Candice because in the doctor world that I live in, anytime a child has a rash of any kind (especially if the child is on formula and/or eating solids), foods are always the number one suspect. I just think some docs are really slow at coming to a true understanding that certain foods can cause serious problems in predisposed individuals.
My pediatrician is definitely on the forefront of staving off food allergies in infants and toddlers. Her advice to me when having my son was the following: 1) Nothing but breastmilk for the first 6 months of life 2) When introducing solids at 6 months, start out with veggies and some fruits (no citrus) 3) No grains until around 9 months (except for rice) 4) No meats or nuts until around 14-18 months 5) And finally, NEVER EVER EVER EVER give any cow dairy of any kind (this means cheese, yogurt, milk...all the good stuff). If I give my son milk, it is goat's milk because the proteins in this milk tend to not cause allergic reactions.
When introducing any new food, the same food (and only this food) is to be given for three days consecutively while watching for any sort of reaction (diarrhea, rashes, runny nose, fever, etc...)
The reason this food intro schedule is used is because the body 'turns on' certain digestive enzymes at different times in these infant/toddlers' lives. If the digestive enzymes are not available to break down the food, the gut becomes irritated and inflamed. When the gut becomes inflamed, pieces of food leak through tiny holes from the gut into the blood stream. When this happens, the body sees these pieces of food as foreign invaders and sets up to attack the food. The results of an inflamed and leaky gut are diarrhea and skin problems (very common allergic reactions). At the worst end of the scale would be a full blown anaphylactic reaction (which, thank goodness your little one did not experience).
It sounds to me like you went through hell and back just to have your motherly intuition finally confirmed by a skilled professional. If you google 'most allergenic foods', the foods your son tested positive for are all on the top of the list and should be avoided by most infants/toddlers (and some adults for that matter). The ironic thing is that we tend to be the most allergic to the foods we eat most often.
When I attended med school, food allergy tests (FAT's) were the norm. If any child on my pediatric round had persistent runny nose, cough, phlegm, rash, diarrhea, asthma, ear infections, etc...a diet diary was always given to the mother for our review. If allergenic foods were eliminated from the diet and the symptoms persisted, we did a FAT. Unfortunately most insurance companies will not pay for FAT's and the cost is about $275.00.
Anyway, I hope you are able to get a handle on your son's condition. My advice to you would be to start from scratch with food introduction. Besides avoiding the foods you know he is already allergic to, begin this process by picking one food and feeding him this food (and only this food) for three days (ex: bananas). If he has no reaction to this food, put it on the list of 'can eat', and go on to another food. I think this will be a bit challenging for you because he is already eating solids, but if you want to get to the bottom of your son's symptoms, I would begin here.
And diarrhea for 9 months???? That's just crazy; no pediatrician should think this is ok. You gotta get that taken care of. I'm sure you understand that this means he is not absorbing all of the nutrients he is consuming.
Good luck with your situation. I hope you find competent physicians in your area who are willing to listen to your complaints and act on them appropriately.
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| posted by Allison on 08/27/2008 05:16 PM
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| No cow or dairy at what age!! At age 12 mos. both my kids started on whole milk , cheese, yogart, eggs, all that stuff. Never had a problem.. though was told by pediatrician not until at least 12 months.. I started my daughter who is now 8yrs old out on whole milk at age 11 mos.. I ran out of formula and decided to try and all went well.. so, just curious at what age you are saying no cow milk or dairy or what do you mean about that.. |
| posted by Suzanne on 08/27/2008 06:14 PM
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| my daughter has been eating yogurt and stuff since around 8.5 - 9 months old. And at her last checkup at 9 months, her pediatrician said that it was ok for her to eat anything she wanted. she is 10.5 months now and she eats everything, chicken, beef, pork, milk, cheese, yogurt, all fruits and veggies, and we even tried eggs, but she didnt like them. if you name it she has probably tried it. so i dont agree with kids not having any of those foods. i mean, no meat until 18 months or whatever. What would she eat then? lol. thats just me though. |
| posted by Becky on 08/27/2008 07:21 PM
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| Becky, I totally agree with you.. |
| posted by Suzanne on 08/28/2008 09:20 AM
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To Suzanne and Becky,
You ladies should feel extremely blessed that your children do not suffer from food allergies. My post was aimed at Candice (and anyone else who has children with food allergies) because she has been through the ringer trying to figure out what is wrong with her son, and the problems stem from something as simple as food allergies. I'm sure if either of your children were experiencing bloody, oozy eczema and diarrhea for 9 months straight, you'd be willing to try anything to alleviate the symptoms; even if that meant eliminating dairy and other allergenic foods from their diets.
The food intro schedule I posted is from a pediatrician who runs a practice with children virtually free of food allergies. Since Candice has had such a hard time with finding answers to what is going on with her son, I thought I would pass on some useful info that my wonderful pediatrician gave to me. You ladies do not 'agree' with the food intro schedule because your kids do not have food allergies; so ignore the info if it does not apply to you.
However, there are other mom's out there who probably wonder why their children have constant URI's, ear aches, asthma, etc...that would probably benefit from the info I posted on food allergies.
It is a fact that dairy is one of the top 10 most allergenic foods (google it). My pediatrician specifically would like all of her patients to not do dairy. There are other alternatives, you just have to think outside of the box. As far as not having meats until being a bit older, I explained the whole digestive enzyme issue.
In saying all this, I realize there are some kids out there with iron stomachs who have been eating solids since 2 months of age without any problems. But for those who do have issues, I wanted to provide info that could possibly be useful.
I understand that some pediatricians tell their patients to let their kids eat whatever they want; but I think this thinking is why it took Candice so long to find out that it was food allergies causing most of her son's problems. Not all pediatricians are well versed on gastrointestinal health and proper nutrition, contrary to popular belief. If this were the case, it would not have taken Candice's doctors so long to figure out what was wrong with her son. I'm just saying in the medical world that I come from, food allergies would have been on the top of the list for differential diagnosis in Candice's case.
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| posted by Allison on 08/28/2008 05:33 PM
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| A good way to get people like doctors off their asses and do some research is to threaten their rep. Call your local news team, have it put in your local paper. There are doctors that truly love to help people and will more than likely call you to set up an appointment. Good luck and God bless! |
| posted by mary on 08/28/2008 06:18 PM
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Candace - My heart goes out to you and all the crap you and your son have had to go through. You and your family will be in my thoughts and prayers.
What kind of formula (if any) are you using now? My daughter had a horrible time with excema when she was two months old (which coincided with the time I had to give up breastfeeding; well, really pumping breast milk for her because we had a horrific time trying to breastfeed...long story). We went from formula to formula and finally ended up on a hypoallerenic formula. It was a miracle! Her colic and her excema cleared up like magic! It was REALLY expensive, if I remember correctly (this was about 4 years ago), but it might be worth a try.
Take care! |
| posted by April on 08/28/2008 09:52 PM
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By the way Candice, I'm from originally from Austin, TX; so I can feel your excitement about moving back. Let me know if you need a referral for any doc's in Austin (I know it's a ways from Fort Hood). There are a couple I graduated med school with who practice there. The only down fall is that I don't think they accept insurance.
-Allison |
| posted by Allison on 08/28/2008 10:07 PM
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Allison,
I wasn't trying to argue with you... i mean dang, go list, and all that. I was just saying what I did. You said what you thought, and I posted what I thought. Why do you then have to go back and reitterate (sp?) your point like 12 times... I get that they shouldn't have them, I actually didn't know the meat one, and in mine and Suzanne's defense you just said they they should never have milk... ever. But Thats a little confusing. I mean you wrote like a 3 paragraph essay about how we shouldn't have written that we gave our kids milk. |
| posted by Becky on 08/28/2008 10:31 PM
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| Candice, I am so sorry to hear about all the stuff your son (and of course you) have been through in his short life! What a great mom you are, to not give up and keep at it - trusting you instincts!!! Hopefully, you are finally getting some answers. Please keep us posted as to your sons health. |
| posted by on 08/28/2008 10:47 PM
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Becky,
I understand Suzanne originally inquired about dairy, but then you listed all the foods your child had been eating since 8.5 months old. You didn't agree with kids not eating those foods and she echoed your response. So my huge 'list' and reiteration of my point(s) on food allergies was in response to those posts.
In your most recent response you said, "I get it, kids shouldn't have those foods," but that is definitely not what you wrote in your first response to me; so I thought some clarification was appropriate.
I wasn't trying to argue with you either, or be disrespectful. But I wanted to get the point across (and I guess I did, 12 times) that food allergies are much more common than people think. I know that most pediatricians do not give their patients food intro schedules of any type. Typically moms are told to either breastfeed or give formula exclusively for 6 months, then start solids...and that's it. It's even a bit atypical that Suzanne's pediatrician told her not to give dairy until her kids reached 12 months.
Now the whole issue with never introducing dairy... First of all, this is my pediatricians advice (and I am personally following it since I am still breastfeeding). Now, you may think this is a re-reiteration, but once again, dairy is a highly allergenic food source. The casein and whey proteins in dairy tend to cause an immune (allergic) reaction in individuals, especially children. Additionally, almost everything good contains dairy: cheese, butter, yogurt, cream, sour cream, ice cream, etc... So, if you take into consideration that dairy already has a high possibility to cause allergies, combined with fact that it is in almost everything we eat, it puts this food source at the top of the list for causing allergies. This is why my ped suggests it should be avoided in general. She does understand that not all kids are going to stay away from diary. So if it is going to be given, it should be as a treat, and not very often (maybe 1-2x's a week). But really, she prefers goat's milk (and yogurt, cheese, ice cream, etc...) as an alternate source to cow dairy since it does not seem to cause allergies. Also, in her practice (and from what I witnessed on my pediatric rotations), when children come in with persistent symptoms, simply removing wheat (once again, highly allergenic and an ingredient in a wide range of foods) and dairy from their diets seemed to do wonders. These two seem to cause the most problems in kids.
I want to apologize if it seemed as if I was attacking to two of you. It just appeared to me by your responses to my post on how to best avoid food allergies that your line of thinking was, 'hey, my kid's ok and eats all of these foods, so I don't agree with anything you just wrote.' I mean, you did say you flat out disagreed with kids not having those foods. My point is that many kids just can't have those foods, and consuming them can turn into a potentially life and death situation. Candice now has to carry an epinephrine pen with her at all times in case her son eats something he is allergic to and has an anaphylactic reaction. I'm definitely not a stick in the mud, but I wanted to get across the potential seriousness of food allergies, how they develop and how best to avoid them all together. It doesn't appear to me that many doctors are passing on this information. That's all.
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| posted by Allison on 08/29/2008 05:20 PM
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| Im sorry, your right, I did say that I don't agree in my other post. What I meant was, I don't agree with that for my daughter. |
| posted by Becky on 08/29/2008 07:05 PM
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| It's all good. Like I said, I didn't mean to come off agressive or offend anyone : ) |
| posted by Allison on 08/30/2008 12:39 AM
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| What did the cave men give their kids?? And they were okay! Every child is different, but if you don't try then you won't know ... |
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