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What do you think of when I say the word "Polio"? You likely think of people who are unable to walk and maybe even the whole "iron lung" thing. Well, that's because you didn't live during the time of Polio and all the fear tactics that have been used over the years give a very distorted view of Polio.
Did you know that Polio is actually, in most healthy individuals, nothing more than a "stomach flu"? Did you know that most people didn't even know they *had* polio? Did you know that more people died in 2006 from the flu than died from polio combined in ALL its years as an "epidemic"? The percentage of people who were permanently disabled from Polio is such a small percent, and yet it's all we hear and about see as the "result" of polio.
In 20-30 years people will view Chicken Pox the same way, and yet when we were little we all had chicken pox, but just wait til you're a grandmother and your daughter tells you all the horror stories about chicken pox that she's brainwashed with.
What will I do if my child gets one of these diseases? The same thing you'd do if your child got one of these diseases from the same vaccination that is supposed to "make them immune" -- I'd make him comfortable and give him extra love until he gets better. I believe childhood diseases are there for a reason. They make the immune system stronger and help prepare a child's immune system for adult-hood. You and I somehow managed to survive childhood with a fraction of the vaccinations that children get today.
I did not make my decision based on autism at all. I made it because I'm a chemist and I work with heavy metals and other chemicals (such as the type of things found in vaccinations) on a daily basis. However, when I work with these chemicals I gear up like crazy. I wear gloves, and goggles and even sometimes respirator equipment to make sure none of it gets into my body. So, why on earth would I inject those same things into my children? These chemicals are dangerous, or I wouldn't be required to gear up like I do... but somehow they become magically not dangerous when we inject them into children? Hogwash!
I also don't believe in abortion and several of the vaccinations are made using aborted fetal cells. It's sort of hypocritical of me to say I don't believe in abortion and benefit from abortion at the same time.
Modern medicine is a wonderful thing but it's also a dangerous thing. The United States has the highest maternal death rate of any industrialized nation partly due to elective c-sections, elective inductions and other "wonderful advancements" in modern medicine.
Modern medicine also can't be the one to take all the credit for lower death rates from other disease nor can it take the credit for all the lower rates of the existence of the diseases either. ALL of these diseases had very low death rates before vaccinations were introduced. Why? Thanks to the United States becoming an industrialized nation and giving its citizens things like clean water, trash not strewn all of the streets and access to clean food sources. These had a much higher impact on the death rate and rates of infection of many diseases vaccinations are used for.
If you are honestly interested in learning about this subject and informing yourself I highly suggest a book called: "Vaccinations: A Thoughtful Parents Guide" by Aviva Romm. It's not one of those books that says "OMG VACCINATIONS ARE EVIL!!!!!" it offers, in my opinion, a non-bias look at a specific vaccination and the disease(s) it is supposed to protect against. More or less, what the risks are if your child gets the disease...what the potential side effects of the specific vaccination are. It allows a parent to weigh pro's and con's and make an informed decision.
If you have any more questions or if you feel I haven't answered your questions fully feel free to ask me more. |
| posted by Talisman on 12/23/2007 11:40 AM
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| I too did not make my decision only because of autism. Like Talisman I did not want a collection of chemicals injected into my daughter. I also grew up when childhood diseases were only fatal if you had some other medical problem that would cause a complication. I have to say that I have more fears of the vaccines then any disease, the chemicals and the amount of vaccines. There are a lot of books to read both for and against. I often go to this site www.nvic.org. There is so much information, books, links and articles. They created it to inform people about ALL vaccines, not to force people not to get them. I would strongly suggest that if you have any concerns that you start doing research from both sides. I think the parents in this group will always be helpful with any questions, and I don't think that anyone would judge you for any of your decisions. |
| posted by on 12/23/2007 12:06 PM
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| I wanted to add. We are not born carriers of everything so no my daughter is not likely to get another child sick because she is not vaxed. She, like vaxed kids can catch something. Vaccines are not 100% effective. |
| posted by on 12/23/2007 12:10 PM
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"We are not born carriers of everything so no my daughter is not likely to get another child sick because she is not vaxed."
And yet, how many times have you had people say that our children are dangerous? It's so silly. I mean, if the vaccinations actually worked the way the vaccination community says they do, it wouldn't matter if a vax'd kid walked into a football stadium full of non-vax'd people -- they wouldn't get sick!
So, what's that saying about their wonderful vaccinations? ;)
You know what I find interesting, something like 70% of the people who get pertussis actually have been vaccinated against the disease.
And then you get the whole "oh but vaccinations wear off" garbage. Then it's not immunity... true immunity lasts forever and that's a gift I give my children by allowing them to catch childhood illnesses like chicken pox. Ten days of itchy uncomfortablenesses and a lifetime of immunity or skipping the 10 itchy days and expecting my boys (when they become adults) to actually see the doctor to get booster shots for chicken pox? I'll take the 10 itchy days and not have to worry about the future and potential for them being "typical males" and rarely seeing the doctor. Because, frankly, I'd feel far worse if I got my child a vaccination that required a booster and they didn't end up getting the boosters as adults and caught the disease and died or became sterile or whatever because these diseases are meant to be "childhood" diseases for a reason.
Oh sorry Jackie, didn't mean to go off on a tangent when replying to your post, most of that really wasn't directed *at* you so much as your statement sparked me to say it. |
| posted by Talisman on 12/23/2007 12:21 PM
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| Thanks for the information. I don't understand how vaccines are pushed so hard then if they are so harmful. I guess I need to read that book. And I hope I didn't offend anyone here. That really is not my point. I'm trying to understand it. So thanks again for the help. |
| posted by on 12/23/2007 12:31 PM
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Lindy -
The answer to that question is MONEY!
Drug companies make big big big big bucks. They have the money to "donate" to our legislature to help pass laws that benefit them.
Money talks and until our country decides to put the people before the almighty dollar everything is going to stay messed up. |
| posted by Talisman on 12/23/2007 12:38 PM
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| Do doctors believe that vaccines are harmful too? I never asked my doctor any hard questions about it. I guess I should have.. |
| posted by on 12/23/2007 12:41 PM
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Some do, some don't. Most doctors are given bonuses by the government for being able to prove that a certain percentage of their patients are current on vaccinations, so again enters the mighty dollar that skews information and truth.
My Pediatrician is for some of them but very very against certain ones and, in fact, won't even stock those in her office. If you want one of the ones she won't do, then she will give you a prescription and you can go to the community health area and have the shot done there. |
| posted by Talisman on 12/23/2007 12:45 PM
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| I dod not feel attacked at all :-) Lindy talk with your ped, but let him/her know that you are doing your own research. I have talked with so many parents that get bullied by Dr's that use scare tactics. |
| posted by on 12/23/2007 01:02 PM
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| sorry typo, oops. that should say "I do not". |
| posted by on 12/23/2007 01:03 PM
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| Thanks. She didn't bully me, I just didn't ask. That is my bad so to speak. She wants me to get a flu shot for the kids every year and I refuse it. I guess it's because I feel that they can't protect us from everything and I don't want to give my children any more foreign "products" in their bodies then I need to. I guess I really need to do some research on this topic. I can't complain if I follow along and don't ask any questions... |
| posted by on 12/23/2007 01:28 PM
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| And that is a good point on if the vaccine worked then you shouldn't have to worry about the children that are not vaccinated. |
| posted by on 12/23/2007 01:33 PM
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| Hello all.I just joined this group.Was told about it by 1 of you.We had a small(very large)debate on this topic a few days ago in SAHM's group.Some of you know me from there and what happened to my children after the wonderful vaccines. |
| posted by Lexi on 12/23/2007 01:53 PM
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I posted a message of a whole bunch of links on the information..
The same time massive vaccines were pushed was the same time that diseases were already on the decline..
Modern medicine has done some remarkable things, but true health is from nutrition and sanitary life conditions... What makes us sick is toxins, diet, and viruses/bacteria..
I recommend the movie SICKO-Mike Moore.. Check it out..
This will give you an understanding about how the government is involved in many of the corrupt medical community.. They protect each other-there are people that get paid to shut their mouths etc..
You can call me a conspiracy theorist but in reality there is not theory... It all goes on and will-the world is evil and just because they have a degree in medicine doesn't make them all knowing or all powerful...
How many doctors in med school have read the million pages of medical studies and journals..
It is call Medical Practice for a reason..
Nutrition is in most places an elective... When nutrition is the core of good health..
Looking at all the things that I have read it all just makes sense..
There are medical journals that state that
INNOCULATION- the injection of disease DIS EASE
NOT IMMUNIZATIONS-No studies to prove that vaccines are really safe and affective and guarentee immunity...
The studies do state that vaccines can hinder and or damage the immune system...
The immune system is a very intricate defense against disease..
No one can say they completely understand it... God designed us and he doesn't make mistakes..
Injecting a person with animal DNA and Preservatives do not guarantee immunity....
Lets look at it like this..
Say you get a vaccine and the mass of crap in it gets into your blood stream somewhere in the body...
Unlike the liver or the stomach your body can't just flush it out-say your body is different from Henry or Jill or Ben.. And your body can't process it out of you... It gets stuck and your body can't fight it off cause it is confused because of the proteins and foreign agents that preserve it and protect it from spoiling etc...
The proteins that carry the dead virus-Chicken protein-Cow protein (look up the history of the first vaccine)...etc.. Are very similar to our DNA so the Body can not determine what to do..
Say you have a precondition that you didn't know you had and you immune system is fighting that off etc....
Then your body begins to attack its self...
Leading to auto immune deficiency... So now your body is trying to fight off everyday toxins in our environment and free radicals on top of the pre condition and then the crap in a vaccine and dead viruses.....
OVER LOAD... Now this mass of junk builds up in the stomach.. So you have a so called food allergy like milk (animal protein) or Eggs (animal protein) or NUTS animal protein... In fact it is your body going crazy...
Trying to get rid of this mass...
Now what if this mass caused a tumor-is the doctors going to study vaccines and see if it is related? NO-because they are taught vaccines are safe.. Doctors can change the name of diseases or alter studies-they truly have the licence to kill in a simple statement.. I am not accusing all Doctors so don't get me wrong here... TRAUMA is a good reason for Doctors-like your rib cage is poking out etc..
Doctors usually don't go to the source of the problem they medicated it and bank on your illness.
Drugs alter the body and make it believe it is better while distroying your liver-YOUR BODIES NATURAL FILTER....
Think about population control and Disease CONTROL-They control DISEASE.. THEY ARE A BUSINESSES and they are not ALL in our best interests...
Now what if that mass of crap gets stuck in the blood stream and stuck inside Brain tissue then the body can't figure it out and attacks the brain..
MAYBE THAT IS WHAT CAUSES AUTISM...?
Look at the way our body works...
We have skin, hair, mucous in our noses, etc.. that acts as a barrier to disease and other bacteria and viruses.. We have an immune system which is to fight that stuff off in case it gets into the blood..
NOW with vaccines they are injecting animal DNA- they need some cells close to our own in order to carry the virus into our blood-along with aluminum-and other things... It is direct into our blood with out any fight...
The key to prevention of disease is a healthy life style with clean water, clean air, good healthy food...
Not flour and sugar which makes our bodies acidic and in turn creates an environment in us to harbor diseases...NOT Vaccines and Medicines etc...
Detoxing like bowl cleanses and liver flushes and the like keep our bodies maintained like changing the oil in your car or changing the water in a fish tank...
When we inject shit in our bodies how is that clean and healthy..?
From a Christian stand point our bodies are the temple of the holy spirit and we are not to desecrate our bodies in any way.. Hence injections of who knows what..?
Our children are our future and to live in fear of getting sick and allowing doctors to inject garbage for the sake of societies health is WACK-
Since when does the our government really care about our health when the insurance companies control the wealth with the protection of the government.
They are allowed to test medicine on us. Legally they are allowed to do it... Who is protecting us?
Also think of the population control agenda and the creation of cancers in labs for biological ware fare..
Where did AIDS come from? Did you know that when Eisenhower was in office they created cancers for war fare... What makes you think that they don't know with all this terrorist junk going on?
Biological and Biochemical ware fare is real... Who are they testing this crap on?
When they go into other countries and claim we are helping them with Vaccines and the like yet they won't provide clean living conditions and clean water and healthy nutritious food but we will inject them with toxins and see what happens right?
Anyway I trust GOD and the scripture says-
For I have not received the spirit of fear but the spirit of peace and of a sound mind...
IF SOMEONE TELL YOU-HEY YOUR KIDS ARE GOING TO GET SICK SO STICK THEM WITH THIS.. TRUST ME I WILL INJECT THEM AND THEY WILL BE OK...
Are you going to allow them to do it?
How bout they say-Your kids are going to die tomorrow so let me cut off their arm so they won't die..
Are you going to believe them..
I do not have fear-I fear nothing because FEAR IS NOT FROM GOD-PEACE IS..
And I have Peace knowing that the Lord Shall provide, Protect and guide me through this life...
It is my responsibility to protect my children and God has blessed me with them and I have to live by his word not by the worldly corruption...
My friend's daughter got full blown cancer at 18 months old..
She was fine until vaccines started.. She had constant fevers-ear infections, and was always on antibiotics and then sick again and vaccinated once she got better.. then sick then antibiotics then better then vaccinated.. repeat and repeat...
She died....
No one cared.. they said it was pneumonia-then this then that-never did tests... Never questioned vaccines..Never thought cancer...
She didn't get the care she needed-Her mother was on Welfare and Medicaid.. So the government was paying for it.. DO THEY CARE?
NO
SHE HAD THE WORST DOCS EVER...
Sad but true-the government does not want to pay for poverty and it is just easier to eliminate the problem. Same is true in Nursing HOMES... HIPPA LAWS protect the government from the dirty work.. Once the insurance runs out and MEDICARE kicks in it is funny how a healthy old man or lady starts to decline with in two weeks and bam, they are dead...
I seen it happen I used to work at a nursing home...
FLU SHOT? WHY IS IT THAT AFTER A FLU SHOT people have all these problems.. My old boss had his appendix explode, then my co worker had a tumor inside her the size of a basket ball..
Might I add they didn't eat very healthy either and the shots didn't help...
Any way---will they ever test to see if vaccines did it? NO CUZ THEY KNOW THE TRUTH...
That 18 Month old little girl's immune system was under the biggest attack it ever had-layer after layer of vaccines, and sickness, and antibiotics, and illness, and vaccines etc....
Antibiotics destroys good floral in the gut that helps to regulate digestion and process vitamins and nutrients..
When there is an off balance the body is compromised and can't take care of its self... Yeast will over populate in the gut causing CANDIDA-a yeast infection that gets into the blood stream because it causes pin holes in the intestines. It is a fungus- a living organism that craves sugar and dough to re populate... Then it releases toxins into the body and over loads the liver with alcholic type toxins-BEER IS MADE FROM THE WASTE OF YEAST- YEAST TOXINS IS WHAT BEER IS...
Children today are over weight and sick because of this repeated cycle..
Vaccines, ear infections, antibiotics, better... REPEAT..
Then before you know it your kids just eat sugar and sweets and have AUTISTIC Symptoms because of the YEAST IN THE BRAIN-CANDIDA CAUSES BRAIN FOG- OR THE VACCINES destroying the immune system with the combination of ANTIBIOTICS and YEAST DESTROYING THE GUT WHICH IN TURN PROCESSES NUTRIENTS IN ORDER TO BE HEALTHY...
IT IS A VICIOUS CYCLE- When a body doesn't have the ability to process nutrients then it gets sick...
NOW WHO GETS PAID? IF we are all healthy then what would happen?
SO DO VACCINES REALLY PREVENT DISEASES?
My child is two---in his two years of life he had two colds..
I nurse and stay at home with him so his exposure to illness is limited but I do know that if he does play with children that are VACCINATED-They carry the junk in their bodies so my kid is at risk of getting sick...
But because I haven't tampered with his immune system-then he can kick a cold fast
but a vaccinated child may have the same cold that develops into ear infections, bronchitis etc..
I won't do it..
Just because he is vaccinated doesn't mean he won't get sick so what is the point..
I was vaccinated with the chicken pox but still got the chicken pox..
When you get the disease then you are immune-Vaccines don't guarantee anything except a cycle of illness, pharmaceuticals, illness, on and on.....
The route word of PHARMA is from the Latin or Greek SORCERY...
Look at the medical emblem it is a serpent around a rod-HELLO?
SO the Idea is to Inject him too so he can be part of the-HERD IMMUNITY...
NOW WHEN THE INSERT OF THE VACCINE STATES-
IF YOUR CHILD EXPERIENCES BRAIN INFLAMMATION or Brain DAMAGE-DO not continue with the next round or series of shots...
WTF? YEAH I AM GOING TO PUT MY LITTLE 2 MONTH BABY A SHOT...
A little baby-clean and pure-no toxins-not yet comfortable processing breast milk yet..Body is still developing a digestive track and processing nutrients and I am going to allow some clueless six figure earning person to inject my precious God blessed child with PURE GARBAGE..
Would you want to eat aluminum? OR Formaldehyde? How bout the old Mercury they took out the vaccines? OR did the chemist just change the molecule so that it is a different form of Mercury?
HMMM?
WE ARE TRUSTING THE WORLD AND NOT GOD...
WHO IS IN CHARGE OF THIS WORLD WHO FEEL FROM GRACE?
I will not allow fear to rule my judgment...
Why aren't more CHRISTIANS standing up for what they believe?
Brain Washed is one why to look at it, but Ignorant, Trusting, and Uneducated is another way...
Trust in the Lord with all your heart...... Faith the size of a mustard seed can move mountains...
I HOPE THIS EXPLAINS IT FOR YOU!
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| posted by on 12/23/2007 02:11 PM
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| Well many of you know that my no 1 child(25yrs ago) after receiving the shots, 3 days later broke out into a rash(sacrlentina) and had that rash(eczema) until he was like 4 yrs of age.A later shot he started stuttering for 3 r 4 months.My no 2 son got the MMR and 3 days later we had to take him to the ER for a severe reaction to it.Then 14 days later he actually broke out and got the measles.No 3 didnt have any reactions.I got his shots late.Now my no 4 got his shots and 3 days later he got pnemonia and spent 10 days in the childrens hospital on a respirator.no 5, i waited until he was 14 months old to get his shots and he died in my arms after having the shot 3 days later after having multiple seizures.I brought him back and I took him to the hospital and a dr told me I was ignorant that I didnt know how to take a temperature and that shots dont cause reactions such as these.Next night he had seizures again and I took him to the hospital again.They gave me meds to give for the next morn for a scan of his brain.when the tests came back he had 57% damage/He had to learn how to walk/eat/talk all over again.He lost all his teeth within 1 month and all his hair fell out to bladness.no 6 son got a few of his shots and he couldnt talk.He mumbled.We had to have a special resources speech therapist come out to the house until he started school.My no 7 daughter,we didnt have her get shots until she was 4 and her side effect was severe stuttering and spacing out for about 3 months.The second set of shots she got severe stuttering again.I asked the dr.and the nurse and they told me that sometimes w/ a shot,the side effect will cause stuttering.Sometimes brain sumthin sumthin.lol I have no idea what it all meant.After reading a very long post from a girl in the SAHM's forum I actually understand now why they stuttered.My no 8 daughter,got the shot and had diarreha,then she broke out w spots all over(scarlentina),got flu like symtoms and now she has eczema exactly like my no 1 son.I have tried everything from expensive cream to over the counter creams and shell be okay for a day or so and wake up w it all over the folds again.Shes very dainty as you can see in her pics. |
| posted by Lexi on 12/23/2007 02:30 PM
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Sorry for my typos..... I hope you can understand what I am saying...
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| posted by on 12/23/2007 02:36 PM
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Lexi -
I don't mean this in a rude way but can you explain why you continued injecting subsequent children over and over and over when you had these sort of experiences? It just sort of boggles my mind. |
| posted by Talisman on 12/23/2007 02:39 PM
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| Getting the shots versus the disease is all bull.I also had a booster at that age too.I was 13 yrs of age and got around a baby that had measles.I got the measles 14 days later.My mom had told me that I got the measles 2 other times as a baby.She explained that there are several types of measles.I got all the vaccines as a child.The vaccines do not do squat for you.I know ppl's children that got the vaccines and still got the diseases.After having the diseases,however they never got it again.3 of my children got the chicken pox after getting the wonderful vaccines.My no 1 son got the chicken pox at age of 18.His best friends neice had the chicken pox.Diptheria,ever read the side effects of that?Pertussis?Think of our flus weve been getting.Dont even get me started on the flu shots.My dad and mom and several church ppl had to all go to the hospital after getting those.Whatd they have?Pertussis?What did my children get after being around my parents?Pertussis!!!What is the DTaP?Pertussis vaccine!Money!Thats exactly what its all about each year.If there are no diseases going around, insurance agencys and drs cant make money ,now can they?Whats the no 1 reason ppl go to the dr versus yearly checkups?Colds and flu season. |
| posted by Lexi on 12/23/2007 02:44 PM
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| In the state of Texas you are informed that if you do not get your children immunized it is called neglect and you have so many days to get it dontor they will come and get your children and file neglect on you. |
| posted by Lexi on 12/23/2007 02:46 PM
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Tanya -
I am not a Christian so I can't speak for anyone of that Faith; however, from what I've seen most religions seem to allow medical hmmm... I can't think of the word... like "exemptions" when it comes to vaccination.
What I mean is that, for example, Orthodox Jews must keep kosher and vaccinations aren't kosher (by any stretch of the imagination) and yet they still are allowed to give these things to their children.
So I would assume that for most religions that something similar applies and that's why most people don't see it as desecration of the "holy spirit" or anything like that.
Maybe the key is not to get the medical community to admit these are dangerous (because they never will as a community, it makes them too much money) but to, instead, get the religious clergy to understand the dangers and how they potentially go against their religious beliefs?? |
| posted by Talisman on 12/23/2007 02:47 PM
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Lexi -
Texas allows religious, medical and philosophical exemptions from vaccinations. It's obvious your children would fall under the medical exemption statute and even if they don't, you have the right to file a philosophical exemption. |
| posted by Talisman on 12/23/2007 02:49 PM
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| My very good friend did that and at school her child got a paper that said she had been turned into CPS for non compliance of vaccinations.She had so many days to comply.She got ahold of them told them why and guess what?They came and got her 3 children and filed on her and it took her 3 months to get her children back.She had to enroll in several classes and prove that she was going to be a responsible parent from then on.Ask me again why I chose to vaccinate?You forget Texas gives children death row.I did not want to lose my children.Let me tell you about some Texas women and their tempers.I raised hell everytime I had to take my kids to get their shots.They told me the same thing.Its neglect! |
| posted by Lexi on 12/23/2007 03:06 PM
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| Sorry you had that experience Lexi. I lived in Texas and never had any problems with my vaccination choices. |
| posted by Talisman on 12/23/2007 03:10 PM
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| I can't believe that CPS took someones kids over this. My sisters former ped called them (and the CDC) on her and they could not take away her children. She lives in NJ so maybe they run things differently. You have to remember that YOU HAVE RIGHTS and not vaxing is one of them. |
| posted by on 12/23/2007 03:12 PM
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Talisman,
Yes I believe that more people need to stand for what they believe..
I know that if they will not let my child go to school then I will get a lawyer..
I would win in a heart beat..
It pains me that millions are injecting things into their children and whole heartedly trust their doctors..
Then whos to say 12 years down the road that a vaccine causes cancer or somethign and no one even thinks as it vaccine related.....They need to do more studies and really see the difference in the children who don't vaccinate.. They don't study it enough.. |
| posted by on 12/23/2007 08:45 PM
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| Well I have informed my hubby that Lexi will not get shots until she gets into school and maybe not even then.He said that we have gotten 10 to 15 reminders that she needs a vaccination and 1 that said the health dept. said we have a said time before we have to be there and if we do not they will tell the human resources.That was about 4 months ago.I havent heard anything since.I will fight them this time because Ill be darned if I let her go thru what my other kids did.Well believe it.They did it and they made an example out of her and sent out papers in the school to let ppl know that all children will be vaccinated,hearing loss tests and eye tests and if not they will be turned in.They put in the paper that a person found out that they meant business.The super, I found out a few yrs later, was a... well...Im not gonna say!He loved making examples of ppl. |
| posted by Lexi on 12/23/2007 08:52 PM
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Lexi,
I am confused I thought you were now living in MI. Anyway checkout this page http://nvic.org/state-site/state-exemptions.htm it can help you find the proper forms or maybe you can create your own for exemptions. I have a signed form with my daughter’s medical record that she will not be getting vaxed for religious reasons. The religious exemption in PA also includes personal beliefs since I do not belong to a church.
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| posted by on 12/23/2007 09:11 PM
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| So all of these health problems happened because of the vaccines? I guess I have been very lucky. I'm so sorry that happened to you. |
| posted by on 12/23/2007 09:29 PM
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| I just moved to Mich 4 yrs ago.7 of my kids grew up in Texas.Lexi is a different marriage.Shes my 8th.I have a step-daughter makes 9.All of the vaccines took place w my 7 in Texas.My 8th.Lexi had the same reaction as my no 1 son.Hubby says they have strict laws w/ vaccines here and thats why we got the vaccination paper in the mail.We took her to the Muskegon Health Center to get her shots cause her dr told us that he didnt have seperated shots.He said he didnt have the DT.Only hospitals and Health centers can seperate shots.I thought that since my other kids had the shots altogether that I could seperate shots and get them 1x1 to see if she had a reaction.She did.No |
| posted by Lexi on 12/24/2007 12:55 PM
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| Now I have to fight w the health dept on Lexi and her shots.He says that I could get in trouble.I guess he is going by when his daughter got hers;I have no idea.Sorry my keyboard is like freaking on me and keeps messing up on me. |
| posted by Lexi on 12/24/2007 12:59 PM
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Lexi -
I think you need to become informed on your rights because I currently live in Michigan and the state (like Texas) also allows medical, religious, and philosophical exemptions. The paperwork is a simple check box saying "I object to my child having ..." and you check off the boxes and turn it in.
If you haven't filled it out they have a right to say "uh, your kid needs these shots" but if you've filled it out they can't do anything.
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| posted by Talisman on 12/24/2007 02:12 PM
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| My husband and I chose not to vaccinate for a lot of reasons already submitted. The diseases that many vaccines are protecting against were already dropping dramatically with cleaner sanitation practices long before vaccines were introduced. They only show you the part of the chart that starts after they began vaccinating the population. I was also reading an article the other day in Parents and it stated that children are recieving more vaccines now because the first vaccine only gears up your immune system about 50% to the disease, the next one 75% and the last one finally 100%. Why that is is we don't get sick through our blood. What I mean by that is our immune system does not encounter these diseases through our blood. If you catch chicken pox it isn't because another child rubbed their open wound on your childs open wound. We get these diseases through our airways, our mouths and nose. By taking these viruses into our blood stream we don't start the correct immune response in our body to create life long immunity - it creates a temporary immunity hence the reason for mutiple shots. There is a lot of information out there. MaryTocco.com is one site that I use often but I have visited the others as well. The best way to start approaching your research is to read up and try and stay clear of anyone using scare tatics on you. This is a decision every parent should overly informed to make and many are not given that opportunity. I could never make this decision for another parent but I believe it is every parents responsibility to understand what they are getting into. Good luck with your research. |
| posted by Nicole on 12/25/2007 01:00 PM
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| Thx Tali.I told my hubby just today when he said he was gonna take Lexi to get her shots so that we wont get in trouble.I told him no he wasnt cause I was gonna call after the holidays and tell them that Im not going to vaccinate her and what do I have to sign to make em leave me be about it.I told hubby that I have asked alot of ppl on here what happened to them and compared it to Lexi and my other children and we are not alone in this world w/ all the side effects.He of course cant reason w such.I told him I wasnt giving in to this 1 thing.My pc is messed up.I got a virus last yr and we had to buy a new video card and now it went out again.I think its on my mother board cause my pc wont tell my monitor to get out of standby.Im on my hubbys server pc and its a hassel.Ill be glad when we get it fixed. |
| posted by Lexi on 12/29/2007 01:08 PM
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| I hooked up the laptop so now I can get on the internet again.It was getting to me not being able to leave the sight on and go to the groups I am in at will.lol.Now I can join in again. |
| posted by Lexi on 12/29/2007 08:43 PM
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| I thought children who are not vaccinated can not enter school? I was told you can request vaccinations that have no fillers? We were not give a choice when we tool our son for his visits. |
| posted by on 01/09/2008 09:33 PM
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Carolann,
Most dr's will not offer a choice unless you talk to them about it. There is a lot of information out there from both sides. If at anytime you are questioning vaccines then start researching the vaccine and the dieaese it is for. You can look up the state exemptions on the web http://nvic.org/state-site/state-exemptions.htm, just find your state and there is usually a direct link to the state with the laws. I have watched a few DVD''s from Dr. Sheri Tenpenny, here is a link for her http://www.nmaseminars.com/. |
| posted by on 01/09/2008 09:48 PM
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| Sorry for all my typo's (disease) |
| posted by on 01/09/2008 09:49 PM
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| In Michigan you do not have to vaccinate to get your child into school. A very common myth. We are lucky enough to have all three vaccine exemptions here in Michigan. You just need to fill out a waiver for your child to start school. You can go to http://www.momvaccines.org/ for a waiver and they have to accept it. I believe schools are supposed to have them on file but getting one from them is like pulling teeth. Another fact most people don't know is schools get more money for having a larger vaccine compliance so they are not so forth coming with your choice. |
| posted by Nicole on 01/10/2008 07:54 PM
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| Sorry finally remembered what else I was going to say. The sad fact is that the vaccines with "no fillers" just means that the fillers are not listed because they are not considered active ingredients. You can get some vaccines with less fillers but they are hard to come by. |
| posted by Nicole on 01/10/2008 07:57 PM
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