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Misinterpreted Child Play

I have a big dilemma. I am hoping to get some advice here on how to handle it. 

Last week I went to visit "Marie" with my 9 yr old "Matthew" and my baby.  Marie has 2 girls.  "Lisa" who is 3 and a 4 mo old baby.  Marie is married to my husband's childhood friend "Bob".  While we were over at their house, Lisa and Matthew were playing on the gameboy sitting on the couch, playing a board game in front of us.  Lisa even got my son to play barbies with her.  They were also running around and my son was chasing her and tickling her and telling her he was "going to get her".    All in front of us (the moms), the dads were not there.  Towards the end of the visit they were laying on the master bed watching a movie.  Matthew was on one edge of the bed and Lisa was at the other.  Both on top of the covers.  The bedroom door was opened.  Marie would get up about every 5 min to "check" up on them.  She must have "checked" up on them about 5 times in 1/2 hr.  After a few times I found it strange she was doing this so much but did not give it too much thought.

The next morning my husband tells me he got a disturbing call from Bob.  Bob said that while he was tucking Lisa into bed the night before, Lisa told him that Matthew had touched her "there".  She said he "pinched" her there.  Bob did not pursue Lisa telling him more.  She aslo told him that Matthew said he was going to get her.  My husband told him he would talk to me and that we would talk to Matthew.

 We told Matthew about the phone call and what Lisa said.  He was shocked and horrified at what we were telling him.  He said "how can you think that! She is 3! I would never do that!"  We explained that we were not accusing merely telling him about the phone call.  He said the only times he touched her were when he was tickling her.  Here at home we play tickling with the baby and tell him we are going to get him.

That same day I was going to my weekly therapy session with my psychiatrist ( Post Partum Depression).  My husband came with me and mentioned that Bob said in passing that Marie had been sexually abused as a child.   My doctor said it explained her checkin in so much.  He suggested my husband tell Bob that the details are needed from Lisa and how this happened.  This might jof happened during the tickling play and my son might have touched her without the malicious intent.  My husband spoke to Bob and he refused to ask Lisa any questions.  He told my husband he did not want our son anywhere near his daughter.

We feel very bad about all of this.  My husband and Bob have been friends since they were 2.  They are both 39.  We dont know how else to approach this, but we feel they are condemming our son for something very innocent and misinterpreted.  We can't force them on how to approach this with their daughter.  We feel that due to Marie's abuse and not ever getting any counseling she might be reading more into something that is not. 

See also: Sexual child play, sex, sexual abuse, inappropiate touching
Written by Michelle
Posted on 08/20/2008
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I find strange that a 3 years old has so much information about what is "there". I would think that the mother is so traumatize by her own experience that she must have drilled her child on being careful. Probably the daughter knows that it is a way to get attention and she is using it.

I would just write her a letter saying that you understand her reaction but before accusing someone she should dig a little deeper.

Vero
posted by Vero on 08/20/2008
I agree with Vero's comment. I wonder what kind of leading questions the parents asked their 3yr old. If the mother is still traumatized by her own experience, then she is looking for something that might not be there. I don't know if I would try to mend this friendship. While I understand their concern, I would peacefully cut ties.
posted by Nicole on 08/20/2008
We had some neighbors that we helped move and my 2 boys were there they have a 3 year old also. My son has 2 half sisters at the time they were 6 and 3 so he was used to that age group. My step son has a sister that is only a year younger so he isn't used to kids.
Well while we were unloading at their new place my son was keeping their daughter entertained by playing with her toys or with their dog all in plain sight.
A couple of days later the dad told my husband that no 11 year old boys ever play with kids that age that he felt uncomfortable and he didn't want my son around.... I just made the decision to not associate with them anymore. I can't apologize to them for my son being good with kids. I now have an 11 month old daughter and my boys are now 13 and 12 and they are awesome with their sister! I think people just want to blow things out of proportion and they see something that is not there. It is sad when it is someone you thought as a good friend.... it might take time but I am sure they will get over it and apologize in a few months or so. It is then your decision on what to do. Good Luck
posted by Kristhal on 08/21/2008
I will tell you that my son was sexually abused as early as an infant - we have dealt with this all of his 14 years. It is very difficult - I will agree with Vera though - a three old needs to be taught, drilled, etc... about what "there" is. Some children are very aware of their own bodies -
I am not sure what I would do - probably write a letter.
Good luck
posted by Charity on 08/23/2008
The best way to help you:.

http://www.drspock.com/article/0,1510,9040,00.html

Children do not understand sex at an early age. This article best explains this.

a few tid bits :

If a small child displays activity that looks sexual. They have seen something that would make them do the behavior.

It is best to teach children the appropriate names of their body parts.

Children start being interested in their body at four, this supports this comment.

http://www.cfsh.ca/Sexual_Health_Info/Your-Sexual-Health/Normal-Behaviour-in-Children.aspx


http://www.calgaryhealthregion.ca/hecomm/sexual/pdf/minus6years.pdf

If your friend would educate herself on child development she will find that children are very interested in their bodies, they have no clue about sex! Even if she encounter a child the same age , looked or touched, it would be normal to be interested in body parts.

I knew alittle girl who was very interested in watching me as I changed the baby. Sex was s not in her mind, it was inquiative behavior.

Being in early education for many years I have come across many parents who are wary of a boy being around their daughters. So she will be the same with any boy that plays with the daughter.

Hope I have helped

posted by christine on 09/09/2008
  
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